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Kamis, 04 Agustus 2016

DRB-REW Typhoon Version 1.2


RE-Xtreme .RSG. DRB-REW Typhoon Silver Version 1.2



It's been a long journey for the REW, my original prototype chassis still works great. but I wanted to include the small changes I have made along the way. So I'm moving the #000 chassis to another DRB currently in mid battery config.


 This chassis is the last of the Version 1.2 production run which now numbers #039.


small changes to front extensions.


Thicker shock towers.


and .... oooh that twill is always an option. But this post is really about the SSG.


A small change to battery tray allows adjustment forward position by 6mm.


Version 1.1 upper deck includes changes to the steering mounts for strength.This chassis uses original DRB Tower supports so the type C front brace is required.


A slot has been placed in the lower main deck for easy servo horn access when using the front servo location.


I've changed the cutout on the left side for more mounting options. Design remains through the rebate.


all original options remain. For those using normal length shocks a lower mounting position certainly is an advantage.


Rigidity braces are included as options, lower diffuser mount suits Yokomo drift package.


So with the transformation complete and the typhoon spec almost ready to run and the Prototype chassis swap underway.


It's now time to complete packing the #028~#038 for shipping by next week.


Box sets ready for delivery.


Join the Rear Evolution Weightshift 

Rabu, 27 Juli 2016

DRB-R 2 DRB-REW


The current test bed is due for an upgrade / side grade.



Starting with my current S14, underneath is a RWD DRB-R Rear Motor re-drilled Stock Chassis


It's pretty effective with ultra fast pivot around the central battery, in fact a bit too fast to be realistic.

For this machine, I'm converting it from DRB-R to DRB-REW spec using the original prototype chassis plates before sale. Any new owner will have a lot of options.


LOW CG is good for sideways yaw rotation and flat behaviour. In order to get the battery dead centre, the central bridge was modified.


The weight shift REW option changes the behavior of the chassis for a different feel. Both are effective.


Just need to re-install the servo for a test and tune. With the ESC mounted at the rear on the right side there's plenty of room to put your battery pretty much anywhere. With the Drift package wiper or an additional belcrank, you could even run a lateral or longdituninal battery.

Ahh, the options.

Rabu, 13 Juli 2016

RE-Xtreme DRB-REW Settings - Angles


What angles do we need? Everyone has their own preference. Even me, three DRB-REW chassis and they are all similarly different.


FLAT at Desired Angle. That's what I like.



TYPHOON Spec.

The silver chassis uses modified lower Y-Arm and Wrap Up next VX Knuckles.  NO KPI on this one.


When my chassis is at drift angle, I like the ZERO degree front wheel for lots of control.


Camber 11.


Castor 11.



TSUNAMI Spec. 

Lots of Yokomo here. Drift Package 7 degree knuckles with Yokomo DRB Y arm. Front Shock is Drift Package Short Shock.


Target angle on this chassis is a little higher that the others. I like that this one can get way out there. 


So this is where the Zero is set. 


But is doesn't start there. 10 degrees Camber. I like to angle the tyres under my RC bodies in this way.
Definitely a style choice.


9 degrees Castor is fairly realistic with 7 degrees KPI helps the wheel lay over for less chassis lift.




SAMURAI SPEC

This chassis is set for a little less raw angle


Wrap Up next style. This time with some KPI. No Trail. (yet)


When angle cranks up on this chassis, I've built in some serious "posi-can"  


Many real cars with basic modified drift geometry get this look. They end up hammering the edge of the tyre as the sidewall gets mashed. In RC we can use an angled tyre to overcome this.

Looking at the wear on the trye, you can see the entire curved face is used.


12 Degrees Castor is a good starting point.


Camber is only 7 degrees on this machine.

One of the main things regarding my setups is that they still use a large scrub radius. I rarely run rims under 9 Offset. I just like the deep dish. Sure I could run less offset and push the knuckle wider 5mm.


So whether you like the style, looks or ultimate speed and performance. Whether you like bigger angles or shallower higher speed you'll need to learn to fine tune.

I am still coming to grips with the million combinations in a RC chassis. Finding the right combo (that you like) is ultimately test, trial and error. Having 2 chassis that are similar can reduce your development time, but once you know where you are heading, the settings are ultimately similar.

Enjoy your RC

Jumat, 08 Juli 2016

RE-Xtreme Drift Bible - RWD Drift Setup.


RWD Drift Setup Guide.

This guide will give you some guaranteed working settings and some ideas for research and development.



Here are some things you might need to get the most out of RWD
Front
F1.            Front End Geometry
F2.            Front End Rolling Resistance
F3.            Front End Grip
F4.            Eliminate Bump Steer

Rear
R1.            Rear Traction?
          R1.1 Creating Slip
          R1.2 Creating Grip
R2.            Rear Weight  Transfer

Electronics
E1.            Gyro
E2.            Power Delivery


F1 Front End Geometry
Any of you that have tried RWD have experienced the fight in the front.

That balance of toe in vs Parallel alignment vs Toe Out.

All my setups are designed for a different feel. Unless you try, you can't determine the difference.

So what don't we want? Well we definitely don't want toe-in!!!

Toe in = Forced Understeer = Scrubbing Speed

If you’ve ever seen your car Crabbing… driving sideways with no go forward.
This is the cause. Basically like a downhill skier pointing the skiis inwards to stop.
Don’t use Toe in for RWD.


Parallel = no oversteer or understeer.

This works very well for straight line speed in the neutral position.

It will also be as fast as possible up to a certain point in your cornering.


But just like Ice skating on the edge, you eventually need a little more control.

The red setup above is slightly limited in angle by components. It's a very fast setup, but right at the limit there's no feedback and it simply lets go in a split second.

The Blue setup is actually the same through most of the steering arc, then right at the end we continue to rotate the lead wheel (closest in view) to get more control and allow on big entries.



Toe Out = Forced Oversteer = Already Drifting

Now this Toe-Out seems good. Oversteer = drift

Well there are two main views. One says the car has a little more control because the lead wheel and trailing wheel have a little more grip to stop a drift or initiate a transition.
One says that the car is slow because of trailing wheel drag. This can also have a positive effect for increased grip on the track.

It's all preference.  This blue machine is tuned for big angle.
RWD cars will really only achieve a constant angle of 40-50 degrees so we should aim for parallel up to this limit then extra control with toe out at full lock, which builds in a safety margin to prevent a spin.
Big Entries at 90 degrees are a specific setting.
We want our lead wheel to push further but the trailing wheel to stop against the sus arm.

These are extreme settings requiring custom components but as these settings are becoming standard, so too are manufacturers providing guaranteed drift setups.


F2 Front End Rolling Resistance
             
If you have ever had the front wheel stop rolling either through touching the body or touching the suspension arm or steering link, you will spin. It's just like jamming the front brakes in mid drift.

We need the front wheels rolling with least resistance at all times. increasing mass can do this with wheel ring weights.

Make sure your bearings are maintained and one spin with your finger should last for over a minute or two.


F3 Front End Grip

It's a huge chunk of misinformation that rear battery setups behind the rear axle are superior. They are a specific setup for high grip surfaces.

Basically the front end of the car is super important to overall speed in all situations. It's important to help forward speed through corners and help steering ability.

If you have the liberty of an open tyre selection on the front, then go for the softer tyre.

As the back wheels push forward against the front of the car you need to minimise front end understeer which wastes energy and have enough grip to steer the car as you wish.

A softer tyre with more grip on the front is a basic solution. but if a control tyre is in place, then use a weight on the knuckle to add front tyre grip.

Softer springs, oils or mono-shock roll systems may contribute to specific goals.


F4 Remove Bump Steer


The easiest way to remove bump steer is near equal length "double wishbone" suspension and keep the steering link parallel also. the design of the knuckle and the amount of castor / KPI / camber will all work against you. but it's something to strive for.

Why? when the suspension compresses, the front end geometry you worked hard to create will remain basically the same.


REAR

R1 Rear Traction?
OMG!!! This is always a hot topic.

We’ve seen so many ways of modifying the rear of a car to generate forward movement.

The number of rear suspension arms on the market are just the starting point.
Shock Compression vs Weight transfer is one topic. Toe in and out, camber, kick up etc

What I tend to do is build for rear end stability on slippery surfaces or build for slip on grippy surfaces.

These are two complete polar opposites in setup.


R1.1 Over-coming grip when there is plenty.

Obvious. POWER UP!

Minimise the tyre contact patch. If you have a flat tyre, add camber to run on less of the tyre.
Be careful of compression because the patch will change. 


Zero toe setting on the the rear will promote instability. (Silver chassis).  

Much like the parallel setting in the front. It's the fastest/least resistant when rolling forward, but when you are at 45 degrees, being on the edge is risky.


Most cars are designed for anti-squat.
In RC chassis the rear suspension arm is FLAT. There is no anti squat.
place a 3mm spacer under the RearFront RF sus mount will increase anti-sqaut.
The rear suspension arm will be angled up at the front almost like walking on the heel of your foot only with your toes in the air. It's unstable. (prevent squat / create skid)
Note: Braking ability is also effected.


Increase bound sus rates. An increase in rear bound will typically reduce grip.
But remember if you have tuned your car to squat, then reducing squat may transfer weight differently actually have other effects. It's all a compromise.


Increase rear chassis rake . A higher rear hide height in the rear will add to all the above.
Go for a solid spool. A spool will spin both wheels past the grip point quickly, this lower wheel speed will break traction more easily.



R1.2 Creating Grip when there is next to none.

Obvious. POWER down! 
  But typically we will always have enough power to overcome traction.

Increasing rear toe in will promote stability like the skiis pointing inward. 
Rear toe-in is also useful for additional rear braking at high angle.
RC cars already transition unrealistically fast. So it will slow your transition speed also on a low grip surface.

Cars on super low grip surfaces need help. Slowing things down has a great impact on control.
This additional toe angle braking effect can slow the rear and create more stable braking.
A little like holding the handbrake slightly while on throttle.


Increasing the contact patch will keep grip. This setup above is designed for that with a curved tyre, I can still use about 1/2 of the tyre through the suspension arc. A zero camber setup with equal length sus arms will typically run on about 1/5th of the tyre. I'm using increased camber under suspension compression to add bite. 


With more toe-in, one wheel will have up to 3.5 degrees more forward facing ability when the car is at angle.  The inside wheel will be at 40 degrees and the outside wheel will be at 43.5 degrees. the inside wheel has more traction in the direction of the corner.

If big big constant angle is your requirement. When you combine this with a differential , the wheel with more grip will still have more forward drive.
Adding rear Anti-Squat   (Add Spacers under the RR sus mount)
The wheels will be trying to dig into the track and generate grip.

R2 Weight Transfer
We all know that as rear suspension compresses and the front of the chassis lifts, the rear of the chassis typically becomes a lower ride height under under shock compression.

Keeping a lower rear ride height will typically help promote grip by keeping the weight focused towards the rear. The chassis will not rock to the front.

Raising will be the opposite. Shock Pre-load adjustment does this, but also does other stuff and I am trying to keep it pretty simple... if that's possible with talk of geometry and weight..

Weight transfer with a mid battery will transfer less weight over the rear wheels and the transfer happens horizontally.

The Weight Shift high battery / High motor philosophy invites vertical weight transfer. Or more push onto the rear. Actually the higher the better, but typically we are bound by body restrictions.

Weight behind the rear axle is simply going to reduce front end grip and generate understeer. On a super grippy surface, you  may get more hang time but you loose the steering ability to stay on line.


On super-flat high speed tracks like Yatabe Arena are less dependent on this because corner radius is much larger and front grip isn't so important.

That's why new Yokomo chassis like the YD-2 have a super low center of gravity and are designed for promoting drift through slip and slide from lateral weight transfer, rather than grip.

Electronics
E1.            Gyro

Gryo gain settings should be made as high as possible, however if you encounter a wave effect in your steering, reduce the gain to avoid this. The more front grip you can generate, the less gain you will need.

E2.            Power Delivery
Bringing on the power in RWD is a big part of the game.
Jam the throttle, do you go forward or do you sit there spinning the wheels ion full burnout mode.

If you have less grip, you really have to bring the throttle in easy.
Get the car moving, 1st, second,  then initiate.

If your car has 1000hp and only limited grip, there are compromises. Like a wet road philosophy.
If you car has 1000hp and full rubber slicks, you simply go forward.

We balance our cars on throttle to get as much grip or as much slip as we need. But unlike 4WD where mashing the throttle will get you out of trouble. RWD bill simply overcome rear grip and spin.
So finding the grip point on your finger takes practice, nearly always I have to adjust throttle end points for grip matching.

If you can't overcome rear grip. ie Full throttle all the time. Back off and punch the thottle in short bursts to break traction in an unsettled manner. As wheel speed meets road speed the ability to overcome grip is reduced. like hitting top speed in 5th gear.

In RC, gear your car to always have a little more power than you need in reserve to break traction and keep angle.

ENJOY RC!